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Geoff
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« on: September 06, 2007, 05:31:25 AM »

Has anyone used a Chromatte Light Ring with VC yet?

Prices are now down for this product;

http://www.dsvideo.tv/datavideo_1513.php

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« Reply #1 on: September 06, 2007, 07:53:36 AM »

Here's what I don't understand,

If using this chromatte light ring thingy.... does that mean I won't have to use all those lights? Huh

Not sure why this is still so expensive.  Who can break this down for Granny.

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« Reply #2 on: September 06, 2007, 11:14:01 AM »

If I understand this correctly it works like a low powered projector. A ring of Diodes are used because of their light frequency consistency and low voltage requirements.

The screen in the picture looks blue as they were using a blue diodes.

The screen acts just the way a movie screen would and reflects the light from the diodes back to the camera. Though the screen would be a silver  gray in colour,  the camera would see green and very uniform at that. It would replace your current green screen and yes would replace the need for lighting a green screen separately. Because of the low intensity of the diodes, very little color spill would occur if any.

The only lighting required would be for your subject.  Interesting idea. You should be able to create your own. You would just need to prevent the diodes from being directly visible by the camera lens. The ring would have to be mounted in front of the lens and the picture shows a ridge on both sides of the diodes to prevent the lens from being affected by direct diode light.
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« Reply #3 on: September 07, 2007, 09:30:00 AM »

Michael,

Ok.. so... this lil "D" thingy, is that what the great expense is for or is it the gray matte.  When I first ventured into the world of chromkeying... I paid a whole lot of money for green fabric... did I know it was just green fabric?  Naw..

Since then I just go out to the fabric store and get as much green as I need, hard lesson, could've saved lots of money.   So I'm trying to figure out where the great cost factor is: in that little round "D" thingy, or the gray matte and if it is the matte, can a substitue be use.

I'm probably not making any sense, but do try to indulge me..

Thanks

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« Reply #4 on: September 07, 2007, 10:10:33 AM »

The grey screen is liekly the expensive bit. It is made up of tiny retroreflective elements and isnt something you will find a cheap alternative for in wal-mart or somesuch.
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« Reply #5 on: September 07, 2007, 11:50:49 AM »

I agree with Mike. It is the backdrop that would be the most expensive.

It can't just directly reflect the light of a diode. Otherwise you could use tinfoil. So it must be composed of micro beads (glass beads). Each shares its glow with the bead beside it to create a broader uniformity across the backdrop.
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« Reply #6 on: September 10, 2007, 10:50:00 AM »

VERY expensive.....

http://www.virtualsetworks.com/Products.Chromatte.htm

If you are a pro, maybe the time you save in re-shooting or post would pay for this, but not for a hobbyist....
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« Reply #7 on: October 10, 2007, 11:54:10 AM »

Down here in Sydney Australia they have just come onto the market for around $1,500 (Australian currency) after a Taiwan company brought out a copy. And the copy comes with a double ring (green and blue on the one ring).

The results that I got trying it were not any better than using conventional chroma setup. The real advantage is not having to go overboard with lighting when on the road.

If you have a permanent setup and your lighting gives you good results then you really would not be gaining an advantage.

And now that VC3 is out, you can get excellent keying results every bit as good as Ultra2. The new VC3 is an absolute huge improvement over VC2 when it comes to keying... and I love the way you can now resize the background image which can give the effect of zooming in or out.

If you got the money and your on the road a lot then I would recommend the Chromatte Light Ring... but look for the copy with the combined blue and green ring. Better value.

Cheers Jaron
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